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1 Theological Term: Predestination Note Eph 1:5 Morant61 Fri 07/4/08, 12:23pm
  Greetings Jamison!

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Your Brother in Christ,

Tim Moran
2 Retain or forgive sins? Note John 20:22 stjohn Fri 07/4/08, 11:54am
  Oh yeah huh? That one would have probably slipped right by me!

Happy forth to you too! A great day for a great country!
3 Theological Term: Predestination Note Eph 1:5 stjohn Fri 07/4/08, 11:38am
  Hi Jamison: What you are referring to is called the (doctrine of election). Not that it is expressly exclusive from predestination, but they are different. You ask questions that call for speculation so I will out of respect for the promise we made when we signed on to SBF, not endeavor to answer, but suffice it to say, no, the Bible doesn't teach another possibility.

Shalom and
God bless
John

"Divine predestination means that God has a purpose that is determined long before it is brought to pass. It implies that God is infinitely capable of planning and then bringing about what he has planned, and Scripture speaks of him as doing this" --Baker's Theological Dictionary of the Bible

"In summary, we can say that God has had a special love relationship with the elect from all eternity, and on the basis of that love relationship chosen them for salvation. The ultimate question of why God chose some for salvation and left others in their sinful state is one that we, with our finite knowledge, cannot answer. We do know that God's attributes always are in perfect harmony with each other, so that God's sovereignty will always operate in perfect harmony with His goodness, love, wisdom, and justice." --John MacArthur
4 Theological Term: Predestination Note Eph 1:5 Val Fri 07/4/08, 11:32am
  I think they call that double predistination. I have never read in the bible where God predistines anyone to torture. It is assumed. That is why we must look at the Whosoever will may come and It is not My will that any of these little ones should perish. That is the doctrine of the Responsiblity of Man where Spurgeon said if you read the sermon I pointed out that God gives us a measure of free will.
5 Retain or forgive sins? Note John 20:22 Val Fri 07/4/08, 11:23am
  Happy Fourth of July John - Blessings Val
6 Retain or forgive sins? Note John 20:22 stjohn Fri 07/4/08, 11:04am
  Dear Val: I must say it's a mystery to me how or why the Spirit works, your post brings to mind, a verse in John.
"The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."--John 3:8
7 Theological Term: Predestination Note Eph 1:5 jamison Fri 07/4/08, 11:03am
  I think the problem with predestination (or at least the problem we have in accepting it) is due to the logical consequences it entails. If God is literally going to burn people in hell forever and ever, then anyone He doesn't choose or predestine, He is in a sense choosing for them to be tortured forever. We don't like to put that on God as it cannot be reconciled with His love for us or His desire that none should perish. The fact that we cannot reconcile it, does not mean it is not true. But it makes it very difficult to view God this way. Certainly those whom He has predestined would love and praise Him, but then you step back and look at those whom He does not choose and you wonder, "Does He not love them? How great and merciful can He be if He chose to torture them forever even before they were born or did anything wrong or right." And what if it was your children that He was choosing to not predestine. Does He love your little boy or girl less than you do? It is difficult for many to view God in this light, whether or not it is true. Just because we don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true, but it certainly makes it more difficult. Of course, that assumes these are the only two possibilities. Does anyone have a third or fourth possibility?

jamison
8 Retain or forgive sins? Note John 20:22 Val Fri 07/4/08, 10:35am
  Dear Tam:

A study of how the Holy Spirit and His relationship with Old Testament Saints will give insight on this question. We know that the Holy Spirit came upon those in the Old Testament and it was for the purpose: to commission them for service. We know in the Old Testament the Holy Spirit could also leave a person. This is the difference.

In the New Testament, under the new covenant, the Holy Spirit indwells believers permanently.

Concerning Christ and the apostles: This breathing on them the Holy Spirit was to enable them to do Christ's work, a commissioning. It was temporary and was of the same type that was bestowed on the Old Testament saints. The Holy Spirit could come upon the person but it could also leave.

Now as we see in Acts where Christ told them to go and wait for the Holy Spirit this was after His death, burial and resurrection. He told them to go and wait until He poured out His Holy Spirit which would enable them, commission them. This time though it was a permanent sealing.

Remember in David's confession, repentance He asked the Lord not to take His Holy Spirit from him. Remember Saul, the Holy Spirit left him. It is fascinating reading to read the people used of God in the Old Testament and how the Holy Spirit came upon them. It was a commission for service. Check it out. Absolutely beautiful.

The second part of your question is about the word Petra. The study of this word will show that Peter was a little stone. Christ was the boulder. We are little stones too. I love that picture. Blessings Val
9 Retain or forgive sins? Note John 20:22 Val Fri 07/4/08, 10:11am
  Yes I understand and never for a moment thought that was the case. I did go back and read the posts to try to learn. I looked up the terms used and saw one article concerning the altar call. I was not familiar with the original term but after reading the article I understood the defination. Now if it had been said I don't agree with using an altar call I would of known exactly what we were was talking about. I have not been to seminary and am not familiar with the language they use. I am not an intellectual. I did not go to college. I have a high school education. Doc is a wonderful, wonderful person and so are you John. I grew up in the tobacco fields of Tennessee so if you know anything about that life, it was a hard row to hoe, no pun intended!!!
10 Theological Term: Predestination Note Eph 1:5 DocTrinsograce Fri 07/4/08, 9:25am
  "When the Bible speaks of predestination, it speaks of God's sovereign involvement in certain things before they happen. He chooses in advance certain things to take place. For example, he predestined creation. Before God created the world, he decided to do it.

"Usually when people think of predestination, they think about whether or not somebody was hit by an automobile on a given day because God had decided ahead of time that that should happen on that day.

"Theologically, the principal issue of predestination in the Bible has to do with God selecting people for salvation beforehand. The Bible clearly does teach that somehow God chooses people for salvation before they're even born. Virtually every Christian church believes that, because this concept is so clearly taught in Scripture.

"Paul refers to Jacob and Esau. Before they were even born, before they had done any good or evil, God decreed in advance that the elder would serve the younger: 'Jacob have I loved; Esau have I hated.' The point there is that God had chosen certain benefits for one of those two before they were even born.

"The real debate is, On what basis does God predestine? We know that he predestines, but why does he predestine, and what is the basis for his choices? Many Christians believe that God knows in advance what people are going to do, what choices they're going to make, and what activities they're going to be involved in. As he looks through the corridor of time and knows what choices you will make, for example, he knows that you will hear the gospel. He knows whether you will say yes or no. If he knows that you are going to say yes, then he chooses you for salvation on the basis of his prior knowledge. I don't hold that position. I think that God does this sovereignly, not arbitrarily, not whimsically. The only basis I see for predestination in the Bible is the good pleasure of his own will. The only other reason is to honor his only begotten Son. The reason for his selection is not in me and not in you and not in some foreseen good or evil, but in his own sovereignty." -- R. C. Sproul
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